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	<title>Comments on: Wireless networking in &#8216;modern&#8217; Linux is fucking braindead.</title>
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		<title>By: r351574nc3</title>
		<link>http://dischord.org/blog/2009/02/10/wireless-networking-in-modern-linux-is-fucking-braindead/comment-page-1/#comment-5065</link>
		<dc:creator>r351574nc3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 21:38:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I can&#039;t say I use OpenBSD much. I use FreeBSD, and I can say that the array of tools I use between BSD and Linux are about the same. I use the same configuration to pair my cell phone on BSD and Linux. I don&#039;t know what tools you use, so I can&#039;t help you. Maybe you don&#039;t want to be helped though. Maybe you like pissing, moaning, being dragged around by your left testicle, and blogging about it after you&#039;ve dulled the pain from a pint or two.

About #4. I wasn&#039;t saying your configuration was wrong, I was telling you how to use other tools instead of NetworkManager. Sorry if it came off that way. Defining your wireless configuration in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts is a more admin-friendly approach to setting up your wireless config.

You take the fun out of Linux by saying it&#039;s actually like unix. OS-wise, it&#039;s really not. Kernel, scripts, binaries, etc... all are so different from unix, you don&#039;t need an acronym to tell you it&#039;s not unix. I like linux because...it&#039;s not unix. There. I said it. Now everyone knows. Of all the really good reasons to use Linux, I subscribe to the stupidest one of all. Also, even Windows is Unix-like. It even comes with a unix shell and basic unix commands like man. Based on that logic, all popular operating systems that we know of are Unix-like and therefore we should expect them to work similar. Right?


I&#039;m glad you use Solaris at work. Do you use OpenSolaris? It&#039;s very different from normal Solaris. If that&#039;s what you meant by Solaris, then forget I said anything. If you haven&#039;t tried OpenSolaris, you should really try it ^_^. 

I used to work on Solaris on E10k and E15k. If that&#039;s what you do, you have my condolences. It&#039;s a thankless job, and you&#039;re a servant to those stupider than you.

I guess you&#039;re right. Maybe I just disagree since I can&#039;t disprove anything you say. I can really only contradict it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I can&#8217;t say I use OpenBSD much. I use FreeBSD, and I can say that the array of tools I use between BSD and Linux are about the same. I use the same configuration to pair my cell phone on BSD and Linux. I don&#8217;t know what tools you use, so I can&#8217;t help you. Maybe you don&#8217;t want to be helped though. Maybe you like pissing, moaning, being dragged around by your left testicle, and blogging about it after you&#8217;ve dulled the pain from a pint or two.</p>
<p>About #4. I wasn&#8217;t saying your configuration was wrong, I was telling you how to use other tools instead of NetworkManager. Sorry if it came off that way. Defining your wireless configuration in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts is a more admin-friendly approach to setting up your wireless config.</p>
<p>You take the fun out of Linux by saying it&#8217;s actually like unix. OS-wise, it&#8217;s really not. Kernel, scripts, binaries, etc&#8230; all are so different from unix, you don&#8217;t need an acronym to tell you it&#8217;s not unix. I like linux because&#8230;it&#8217;s not unix. There. I said it. Now everyone knows. Of all the really good reasons to use Linux, I subscribe to the stupidest one of all. Also, even Windows is Unix-like. It even comes with a unix shell and basic unix commands like man. Based on that logic, all popular operating systems that we know of are Unix-like and therefore we should expect them to work similar. Right?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad you use Solaris at work. Do you use OpenSolaris? It&#8217;s very different from normal Solaris. If that&#8217;s what you meant by Solaris, then forget I said anything. If you haven&#8217;t tried OpenSolaris, you should really try it ^_^. </p>
<p>I used to work on Solaris on E10k and E15k. If that&#8217;s what you do, you have my condolences. It&#8217;s a thankless job, and you&#8217;re a servant to those stupider than you.</p>
<p>I guess you&#8217;re right. Maybe I just disagree since I can&#8217;t disprove anything you say. I can really only contradict it.</p>
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		<title>By: nick</title>
		<link>http://dischord.org/blog/2009/02/10/wireless-networking-in-modern-linux-is-fucking-braindead/comment-page-1/#comment-5063</link>
		<dc:creator>nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 23:06:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not sure why you think I&#039;m wrong, or do you just mean that you disagree?  Anyway, a couple of points:

1.  I can&#039;t configure my wireless network interface in Linux in the same manner as I can in OpenBSD.  There&#039;s a smattering of disparate tools in the former, that&#039;s part of my beef.

4.  The problem wasn&#039;t my configuration, more the way the distribution and the wireless tools fit together.

5.  In my opinion some things should be a given.  Linux is a Unix-like operating system - I don&#039;t think the GNU recursive acronym in this case is meant to be taken so literally - and as such I expect layer 3 to be configured and omnipresent.  That&#039;s IMO though, feel free to disagree.

As for OpenSolaris and its related technologies, sure it&#039;s a great OS but for various reasons I wanted to run some distribution of Linux on my workstation.  I do use Solaris professionally.

For what it&#039;s worth I bought a wireless repeater and a shiny new Gbe switch - and that takes care of my wireless compatibility issues :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure why you think I&#8217;m wrong, or do you just mean that you disagree?  Anyway, a couple of points:</p>
<p>1.  I can&#8217;t configure my wireless network interface in Linux in the same manner as I can in OpenBSD.  There&#8217;s a smattering of disparate tools in the former, that&#8217;s part of my beef.</p>
<p>4.  The problem wasn&#8217;t my configuration, more the way the distribution and the wireless tools fit together.</p>
<p>5.  In my opinion some things should be a given.  Linux is a Unix-like operating system &#8211; I don&#8217;t think the GNU recursive acronym in this case is meant to be taken so literally &#8211; and as such I expect layer 3 to be configured and omnipresent.  That&#8217;s IMO though, feel free to disagree.</p>
<p>As for OpenSolaris and its related technologies, sure it&#8217;s a great OS but for various reasons I wanted to run some distribution of Linux on my workstation.  I do use Solaris professionally.</p>
<p>For what it&#8217;s worth I bought a wireless repeater and a shiny new Gbe switch &#8211; and that takes care of my wireless compatibility issues :)</p>
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		<title>By: r351574nc3</title>
		<link>http://dischord.org/blog/2009/02/10/wireless-networking-in-modern-linux-is-fucking-braindead/comment-page-1/#comment-5062</link>
		<dc:creator>r351574nc3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 23:58:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know what you should do? Ditch linux and try out OpenSolaris just for kicks. Who else has a native 128-bit file system with LVM and remote distributed storage support? You&#039;re a unix admin, right? This talk should really be arousing you. You know you want to. It&#039;s peer pressure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know what you should do? Ditch linux and try out OpenSolaris just for kicks. Who else has a native 128-bit file system with LVM and remote distributed storage support? You&#8217;re a unix admin, right? This talk should really be arousing you. You know you want to. It&#8217;s peer pressure.</p>
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		<title>By: r351574nc3</title>
		<link>http://dischord.org/blog/2009/02/10/wireless-networking-in-modern-linux-is-fucking-braindead/comment-page-1/#comment-5061</link>
		<dc:creator>r351574nc3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 16:58:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dude, you&#039;re so wrong about so much. 
1. You can do wireless networking in Linux exactly the same as in OpenBSD
2. Fedora blows goats. You never know if it&#039;s your misconfiguration or just a bad package because Fedora is prone to bad packages.
3. Get rid of network manager for x in $(rpm -qa &#124; grep NetworkManager); do rpm -e --nodeps $x; done
4. Fix your configs in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ for wireless.
4a. Install your standard wireless tools from your favorite BSD platform or whatever.
5. GNU is Not Unix, so don&#039;t expect what makes sense to a linux admin to make sense to a unix admin. That&#039;s like expecting what makes sense to a Windows admin to make sense to any other admin.

In the last 5 years, I&#039;ve bought laptops without even checking whether they&#039;re supported by linux, and they just worked. Also, I&#039;m determined to never use Fedora again for the 3rd time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude, you&#8217;re so wrong about so much.<br />
1. You can do wireless networking in Linux exactly the same as in OpenBSD<br />
2. Fedora blows goats. You never know if it&#8217;s your misconfiguration or just a bad package because Fedora is prone to bad packages.<br />
3. Get rid of network manager for x in $(rpm -qa | grep NetworkManager); do rpm -e &#8211;nodeps $x; done<br />
4. Fix your configs in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ for wireless.<br />
4a. Install your standard wireless tools from your favorite BSD platform or whatever.<br />
5. GNU is Not Unix, so don&#8217;t expect what makes sense to a linux admin to make sense to a unix admin. That&#8217;s like expecting what makes sense to a Windows admin to make sense to any other admin.</p>
<p>In the last 5 years, I&#8217;ve bought laptops without even checking whether they&#8217;re supported by linux, and they just worked. Also, I&#8217;m determined to never use Fedora again for the 3rd time.</p>
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		<title>By: nick</title>
		<link>http://dischord.org/blog/2009/02/10/wireless-networking-in-modern-linux-is-fucking-braindead/comment-page-1/#comment-5057</link>
		<dc:creator>nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 21:18:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I got your bug report right here:  \/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I got your bug report right here:  \/</p>
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		<title>By: lamby</title>
		<link>http://dischord.org/blog/2009/02/10/wireless-networking-in-modern-linux-is-fucking-braindead/comment-page-1/#comment-5054</link>
		<dc:creator>lamby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 13:22:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps you could link to your bug reports.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps you could link to your bug reports.</p>
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		<title>By: nick</title>
		<link>http://dischord.org/blog/2009/02/10/wireless-networking-in-modern-linux-is-fucking-braindead/comment-page-1/#comment-5049</link>
		<dc:creator>nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 16:04:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My attempts to deploy skillz were thwarted by braindead distribution maintainers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My attempts to deploy skillz were thwarted by braindead distribution maintainers.</p>
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		<title>By: dan</title>
		<link>http://dischord.org/blog/2009/02/10/wireless-networking-in-modern-linux-is-fucking-braindead/comment-page-1/#comment-5048</link>
		<dc:creator>dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 15:20:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No skills :&#124;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No skills :|</p>
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